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		<title>NRSV: is it truly gender-inclusive?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve just found some unnecessary gender-exclusion in the translation of the apparantly gender-inclusive NRSV. This is very annoying. I had considered them perhaps the best version for gender-inclusive language. Luke 28:29-30: &#8220;&#8230; there is no one who has left house &#8230; <a href="http://feministbible.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/nrsv-is-it-truly-gender-inclusive/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=feministbible.wordpress.com&amp;blog=5087965&amp;post=76&amp;subd=feministbible&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>I&#8217;ve just found some unnecessary gender-exclusion in the translation of the apparantly gender-inclusive NRSV.</strong> This is very annoying. I had considered them perhaps the best version for gender-inclusive language.</p>
<p>Luke 28:29-30: <em><strong>&#8220;&#8230; there is no one who has left house or wife or brothers or parents or children, for the sake of the kingdom of God, who will not get back very much more&#8230;&#8221;.</strong></em> It is obviously intended to refer to women as well. And it doesn&#8217;t seem fair that leaving brothers behind is considered painful enough to mention but leaving sisters behind is not, so I shall add sisters in.</p>
<p>This is what I think the NRSV should chnage it to, &#8220;&#8230; there is no one who has left home, wife or husband, sisters or brothers, parents, or children, for the sake of the kingdom of God, who will not get back very much more&#8230;&#8221; (or alternatively, &#8220;&#8230; there is no one who has left home or spouse or siblings or parents or children&#8230;&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>I need a study bible: which translation and version should I buy?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The bible I currently use is a 1984 NIV (therefore a gender-exclusive translation). I use it because it is a study bible with good-sized font. I have a gender-inclusive NLT (New Living Translation 1996) bible as well, but it is &#8230; <a href="http://feministbible.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/i-need-a-study-bible-which-translation-and-version-should-i-buy/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=feministbible.wordpress.com&amp;blog=5087965&amp;post=74&amp;subd=feministbible&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bible I currently use is a 1984 NIV (therefore a gender-exclusive translation). I use it because it is a study bible with good-sized font. I have a gender-inclusive NLT (New Living Translation 1996) bible as well, but it is not a study bible, and I don&#8217;t enjoy reading it because the font is too small to read easily.</p>
<p>Things I am looking for in my &#8216;new&#8217; bible: study bible; reasonable sized font; gender-inclusive language; well regarded/accurate translation. It can be big and bulky, I don&#8217;t care. My options:</p>
<p><strong>TNIV =</strong> I would love to get one of these but apparantly the ones on the market have small font. Even the allegedly &#8220;larger-print&#8221; version is only about 9-point font and it doesn&#8217;t come with study notes.</p>
<p><strong>NLT study bibles =</strong> a possibility. I am fairly cautious with their translation (it isn&#8217;t regarded as &#8216;as&#8217; accurate as TNIV or NRSV). However I do find their translation is easy to read.</p>
<p><strong>NRSV study bibles = </strong>possibly my current preference. The Harper Collins version has good commentary notes apparantly (not too conservative). It is considered quite an accurate translation of the bible. My only real problem with the NRSV is that I find it not that easy to read. It doesn&#8217;t flow nicely like the NIV or the NLT do.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll show some<strong> differences between the NIV and the NRSV</strong> below, from Luke 18:20 (The Rich Young Ruler): the NRSV translation says, &#8220;&#8230; you shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder&#8230;&#8221; (the NIV says, &#8220;do not commit adultery, do not murder&#8221;). The NRSV says &#8220;sell all that you own and distribute the money to the poor&#8221;; the NIV says &#8220;sell everything that you have and give to the poor&#8221;. Fairly minor differences in translation, I guess, but it does make the NIV easier to read.</p>
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		<title>Is it Feminism&#8217;s fault? The need for Gender-Inclusive language in the bible</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 05:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Below I shall dissect two prefaces for gender-accurate versions of the bible. First I dissect the preface for the NLT 1996 (New Living Translation) which is a perfect example of what gender-accurate bibles should not do in their preface (in the preface &#8230; <a href="http://feministbible.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/is-it-feminisms-fault-the-need-for-gender-inclusive-language-in-the-bible/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=feministbible.wordpress.com&amp;blog=5087965&amp;post=70&amp;subd=feministbible&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Below I shall dissect two prefaces for gender-accurate versions of the bible. F</span></span></span><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">irst I dissect the preface for the <strong>NLT 1996 (New Living Translation)</strong> which is a perfect example of what gender-accurate bibles <em>should not do in their preface</em> (in the preface they completely excuse past male-oriented translations of the bible, and lay the problem not with sexist language but with Feminism). </span></span></span><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Then I shall dissect the preface for the <strong>NRSV 1989</strong> which is a wonderful and humble example of <em>what gender-accurate bibles should do in their preface. </em></span></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><strong>THE NEW LIVING TRANSLATION 1996 Preface</strong> includes:</span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in;margin:0 0 0 .5in;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:small;">-</span><span style="font-family:&quot;">        <strong> </strong></span></span><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:small;"><strong>“One challenge we faced was in determining how to translate accurately the ancient biblical text that was originally written in a context where male-oriented language terms were used to refer to humanity generally. We needed to respect the nature of the ancient context <em>while also trying to make the translation clear to a modern audience that tends to read male-oriented language as applying only to males”</em></strong></span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in;margin:0 0 0 1in;"><span style="color:#000000;font-family:Wingdings;"><span style="font-size:small;">Ø</span><span style="font-family:&quot;">     </span></span><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">So&#8230; 1. the male-oriented language of the past was <em>okay: there was nothing wrong with it. </em>2. the only reason we have to change the bible&#8217;s male-oriented language to gender-accurate language today is because the silly <em>modern audience</em> is too illiterate/dumb to understand male-oriented language nowadays. 3. the reason for the modern audience (read: “modern young females”) not understanding male-oriented language is because of the stupid feminist movement creating problems where there were none before. </span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in;margin:0 0 0 1in;"><span style="color:#000000;font-family:Wingdings;"><span style="font-size:small;">Ø</span><span style="font-family:&quot;">     </span></span><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">This preface denies any inherent wrongness with using male-oriented language (and thus manages to remove any blame for past male-oriented translations of the bible). The preface lays the source of the problem (and blame for the problem) <em>not in past sexism</em> but in <em>the Feminist movement </em>(which has taught modern <em>young women to not understand male-oriented language</em>). </span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in;margin:0 0 0 1in;"><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">&gt; I am offended by this preface. It assumes that the only problem I personally could have with male-oriented language is <em>not understanding that it was meant to include me also.</em> It assumes I have to be close to stupid to have a problem with male-oriented language. I&#8217;ve grown up in Christianity, in the church, and with male-oriented language in the bible. I completely undertand that it impliedly includes women too. But I still think male-oriented language is inherently wrong. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">- <strong>“we should <em>emphasize</em>, however, that all masculine nouns and pronouns used to represent God (for example, “Father”) have been maintained <em>without exception</em>. We believe that <em>the essential traits of God’s revealed character can only be conveyed through the masculine language</em> expressed in the original texts of Scripture”. </strong></span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">&gt; So we should only see God as ‘male’ but not ‘female’? So God is not genderless?</span></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><strong><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">NRSV 1989 (New Revised Standard Version)</span></span></span></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><strong></strong><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:small;">-</span><span style="font-family:&quot;">         </span></span><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:small;">“since the publication of the RSV, many in the churches have become sensitive to the danger of <strong>linguistic sexism</strong> arising from the inherent bias of the English language towards the masculine gender, a bias that in the case of the bible has often restricted or obscured the meaning of the original text… masculine-oriented language should be eliminated as far as this can be done without altering passages that reflect the historical situation of ancient patriarchal culture”</span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in;margin:0 0 0 1in;"><span style="color:#000000;font-family:Wingdings;"><span style="font-size:small;">Ø</span><span style="font-family:&quot;">     </span></span><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">this is a wonderful preface about why the bible committee for the NSRV chose to use gender-inclusive language. The committee is humble. It accepts the faults/sexism in it’s previous translation of the bible (RSV). It does not blame ‘modern’ women, or feminism, for <em>suddenly</em> needing to change bible language to be gender-inclusive. Instead, it realizes that the English language has an inherent masculine bias/sexism, which was played out in translations of the bible. The bible should always have been translated in a gender-inclusive way. Translators screwed up by not doing so. They accepted the linguistic sexism/male-bias of the English language. They didn’t change this until the late 1980s. </span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in;margin:0 0 0 1in;"><span style="color:#000000;font-family:Wingdings;"><span style="font-size:small;">Ø</span><span style="font-family:&quot;">     </span></span><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">As a side note, the NRSV preface says that their bible committee comprised about thirty members “both men and women”. By specifically mentioning this, I know that they saw the need for women to be included in the bible committee, and I appreciate this. <em>This translation (with it’s humble preface that blames past sexist society <span style="text-decoration:underline;">not</span> modern women for the recent change in gendered language in the bible) is fast becoming my translation of choice for my new planned non-sexist bible purchase. </em></span></span></span></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark L. Straus (discussing the choice to use gender-accurate language in the TNIV translation) on the NIV website wrote: “This kind of gender-related language has nothing to do with Godlanguage. None of these versions introduce feminine language for God or eliminate &#8230; <a href="http://feministbible.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/would-describing-god-as-female-in-the-bible-make-the-bible-feminist/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=feministbible.wordpress.com&amp;blog=5087965&amp;post=68&amp;subd=feministbible&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">Mark L. Straus (discussing the choice to use gender-accurate language in the TNIV translation) on the <a href="http://www.tniv.info/light/genderaccurate.php">NIV website wrote</a>: “This kind of gender-related language has nothing to do with Godlanguage. <strong>None of these versions</strong> introduce feminine language for God or <strong>eliminate masculine terms used for God</strong> in the Bible. They introduce inclusive language only with reference to human beings and only when the original author intended to include both sexes. <strong>These are not “feminist” versions of the Bible.” </strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">Yup: my response:</span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size:small;">1.</span><span style="font:7pt &quot;">      </span><span style="font-size:small;">Apparantly <strong>a <em>feminist</em> version of the bible would be <em>so</em> bad</strong>. [If the feminist movement hadn’t begun, <em>when would translations of the bible have started using gender-accurate/gender-inclusive language?] </em>Also, definition of feminism = working for a gender-equal world (including gender-equal representation in the world). Where is this out of joint with Christianity?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size:small;">2.</span><span style="font:7pt &quot;">      </span><span style="font-size:small;">Apparantly <strong>it is okay to continue exclusively portraying God as more ‘male’ than ‘female’, and to do otherwise would be sacrilege</strong>. <em>Funny. I always thought God was genderless. </em></span></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size:small;"><em>If God is genderless s/he is as much female and mother as s/he is male and father. If so, we are missing an important part of the identity of God when we continue portraying God as exclusively male. It&#8217;s funny that these translators (almost all are male) can&#8217;t even fathom the thought of portraying God as female occassionally &#8211; you know, for a change. They could write God as female in alternative chapters/books in the bible, and God as male in the remaining chapters or books. This would accurately reflect that God is as much female and mother, as s/he is male and father. [But nooooo, say these bible translators, we can't have that... that would be too <span style="text-decoration:underline;">feminist, </span>that would].</em></span></span></p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 03:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quoting Mark L. Straus (Ph.D) from the NIV (New International Version) website on the use of gender-accurate language in bible translations:  “Most Bible versions produced or revised in recent years—including those done by theological conservatives—have adopted this kind of gender-accurate language. &#8230; <a href="http://feministbible.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/even-the-kjv-sometimes-changed-gender-exclusive-language-to-include-females/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=feministbible.wordpress.com&amp;blog=5087965&amp;post=66&amp;subd=feministbible&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">Quoting Mark L. Straus (Ph.D) from the NIV (New International Version) website on the use of gender-accurate language in bible translations:</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"> </span>“Most Bible versions produced or revised in recent years—including those done by theological conservatives—have adopted this kind of gender-accurate language. Some of these are the <em>New Living Translation</em> (1996), <em>God&#8217;s Word</em> (1995), the <em>Contemporary English Version</em> (1995), the <em>Good News Bible</em> (revised 1992), the<em> New Revised Standard Version</em> (1990), and the <em>New Century Version</em> (1987<strong>). In fact, the use of such language is nothing new, and all translations of the past have used some inclusive terms for masculine generic terms in Hebrew and Greek. The <em>King James Version</em> often used the inclusive “children” for masculine generic terms sometimes rendered “sons.” </strong>Matthew 5:9 KJV reads:“Blessed are the peacemakers; for they shall be called the children of God.” The KJV translators correctly recognized that though the Hebrew and Greek terms (<em>banim, huioi</em>) were masculine in form, their meaning in context was generic and inclusive.”</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">Thank you, Mark Straus. Mark is a self-proclaimed conservative on the issue of women in ministry. [I very strongly disagree with him there, and I shall deal with this issue in a later post]. But Mark accurately views the issue of whether to use gender-accurate language in bible translations as <em>separate from the issue of women in ministry. </em></span><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">According to Mark, gender accurate terms should be used (and are used in the NLT) <em>&#8220;</em><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';">only with reference to human beings and only when the original author intended [the term] to include both sexes&#8221;. </span></span></p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I quote from NLT website (as of October 2008):  After they &#8216;justify&#8217; their reasons for using gender-accurate language within the bible they go on to say;  “It should be emphasized that all masculine nouns and pronouns used to represent God &#8230; <a href="http://feministbible.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/is-god-male-ask-the-nlt-translators/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=feministbible.wordpress.com&amp;blog=5087965&amp;post=64&amp;subd=feministbible&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;">I quote from <a href="http://www.newlivingtranslation.com/05discoverthenlt/faqs.asp?faq=12#go12">NLT</a> website (as of October 2008): </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;">After they &#8216;justify&#8217; their reasons for using gender-accurate language within the bible they go on to say;</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;"> “</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#333333;font-family:Verdana;">It should be emphasized that all masculine nouns and pronouns used to represent God (for example, &#8220;Father&#8221;) have been maintained without exception. The translators believe that essential traits of God&#8217;s revealed character can be conveyed only through the masculine language expressed in the original texts of Scripture.”</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;"><span>  </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;"><strong>What these translators mean when they say this:</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;">Basically they are saying that God is better described as &#8220;Father&#8221; than as &#8220;Mother&#8221;; and is better described as &#8220;He&#8221; rather than as &#8220;She&#8221;. </span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;">Describing God as &#8220;Father&#8221; and as &#8220;he&#8221; <em>best portrays the essential traits of God. </em>They are saying that our understanding of what &#8220;he&#8221; means and of what &#8220;Father&#8221; means <em>is closer to who God is </em>than our understanding of what &#8220;she&#8221; and &#8220;mother&#8221; mean. They aren&#8217;t quite saying that fathers are more like God than mothers. But they <em>are</em> saying that <em>our understanding of fathers and mothers</em> means that we consider fathers to be more like God than mothers. [By not addressing this problem better, and by not even considering translating the bible in a way where 1/2 the time God is described as female; these translators also seem to be saying that there is nothing wrong with us thinking fathers/men are more like God than mothers/women are]. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;"><strong>Two reasons why these translators believe God is more like &#8220;father&#8221; than like &#8220;mother&#8221;: </strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;"><strong>1. These translators are 94 percent male.</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;">On their website the NLT <a href="http://www.newlivingtranslation.com/05discoverthenlt/faqs.asp?faq=4#go4">lists a total of 73 </a>people as being the translators. Of these, I don&#8217;t know the gender of 4 (although it is likely that they are male: <span style="font-size:12pt;color:black;font-family:&quot;">D. A Carson; Elmer A Martins; R. K. Harrison (deceased); and <span>Terry Eves). Of the remaining 69 translators which I could know the gender of, </span></span>65 were men and 4 were women [in addition, 6 of these men are labelled "Senior Translators" but none of the women are]. So the NLT has been translated by a team that is 94 percent male and 6 percent female [and led 100 percent by males]. This is worst than the proportion of elected females in governments globally (88 percent male and 12 percent female). </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;">It makes sense that a large team that is 94 percent male, and headed entirely by men, could decide that the essential traits of God were best portrayed by using <em>male terms. </em></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;"><strong>2. We consider the ideal &#8220;Father&#8221; to be more like God than the ideal &#8220;Mother&#8221; because he can be everything an ideal mother is <em>and more</em>:</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;">We consider the ideal father <em>to be everything an ideal mother is and more</em> (eg. loving, forgiving, nurturing, strong, powerful, sense of justice). In contrast we find it hard to fit notions of power, dominance, leadership and strength into our understanding of what the <em>ideal mother</em> should be like. Our idea of the <em>ideal mother</em> is less powerful, and is more restricted/narrow, than our idea of the <em>ideal father. </em>Therefore we consider an ideal father to be more like God than an ideal mother. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;"><strong>Problems with thinking of and describing God solely as &#8220;Father&#8221; and what bible translations should do to remedy this:</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;">I think this definition of &#8216;mother&#8217; or of &#8216;ideal mother&#8217; really lets women down. It also restricts our understanding of God. </span></span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;">The idea of <em>ideal mother</em> should fit into our understanding of who God is <em>as much as our idea of the ideal father does. </em></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;">We need to redefine what traits an <em>ideal mother</em> should have to include traits such as leadership, power, sense of justice and authority. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;">One way to do this is to translate parts of the bible in a way that makes God female/mother (eg. chapter for chapter alternating in the bible between God as &#8220;male&#8221; and God as &#8220;female&#8221;).  </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;">Another way to do this is to casually talk about God sometimes as mother/female in conversations (instead of God always being referred to as &#8216;male&#8217;). </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;">This will do two things: </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;">1. develop and broaden our understanding of &#8216;God&#8217; and God&#8217;s traits (how is our understanding of God different when we see God as mother?) and </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;">2. develop and broaden our understanding of &#8216;woman/mother&#8217; and her traits. </span></span></p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">TNIV (Today&#8217;s New International Version, 1996)– is it really using gender-accurate language?  </span><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">I quote </span><sup><span style="font-size:9pt;color:#333333;font-family:Verdana;"><strong>Matthew 19:28</strong></span></sup><span style="font-size:9pt;color:#333333;font-family:Verdana;"> Jesus said to them, &#8220;Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the <strong>Son of Man</strong> sits on his glorious throne…”      - &#8211; - <span style="font-size:small;color:#333388;font-family:Trebuchet MS;"> <em>son of man??</em></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:9pt;color:#333333;font-family:Verdana;">I Just looked at the same verse in my 1996 version of the NLT (NEW LIVING TRANSLATION) (also supposedly using gender-accurate language) and this says “Son of Man” also (as well as repeating the phrase several times elsewhere in the same section). </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:9pt;color:#333333;font-family:Verdana;">So for some reason the translators of both the NLT and the TNIV decided that “Son of MAN” was appropriate to describe Jesus, but “Son of HUMANKIND” or “Son of PEOPLE” was not…? </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:9pt;color:#333333;font-family:Verdana;">“Son of MAN” is supposed to mean ‘Jesus; born human to human parents’. I don’t think the phrase “son of man” was intended to have the smallest bit more to do with <em>men</em> per se than with <em>people</em> in general.<span>  </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:9pt;color:#333333;font-family:Verdana;">I would like to know the translators reasons for not making “son of Man” gender-inclusive/gender-appropriate. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:9pt;color:#333333;font-family:Verdana;"><a href="http://custardy.blogspot.com/2008/06/sexist-bible-translations.html">Custardy Blog </a></span><span style="font-size:11.5pt;color:#333388;font-family:&quot;">thinks the phrase &#8220;Son of Man&#8221; would be better translated as &#8220;Human One&#8221; when referring to Jesus. </span></p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1987 – New Century Version (okay – I’ve  never, ever heard of this translation) 1990 &#8211; NRSV (New Revised Standard Version) 1992 – The Good News Bible 1995 – Contemporary English Version and God’s Word 1996 – The NLT (New &#8230; <a href="http://feministbible.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/modern-translations-of-the-bible-that-are-gender-accurate/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=feministbible.wordpress.com&amp;blog=5087965&amp;post=58&amp;subd=feministbible&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">1987 – New Century Version (okay – I’ve<span>  </span>never, ever heard of this translation)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">1990 &#8211; NRSV (New Revised Standard Version) </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">1992 – The Good News Bible</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">1995 – Contemporary English Version <em>and</em> God’s Word</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">1996 – The NLT (New Living Translation) and the TNIV (Today&#8217;s New International Version)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">For whatever reason, I have grown up in a strongly Christian household and have always gone to church but I don&#8217;t remember ever reading any of the above translations apart from the NIV and sometimes the NLT. Only the NIV was commonly read in my church. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">It surprises me that it took the NIV and the LT so long to become gender-accurate/gender-inclusive. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">Initially the NIV published it&#8217;s first gender-inclusive translation &#8211; the NIVI &#8211; in the UK, but that translation was met with a lot of criticism. Dr James Dobson and fellow supporters were strongly against it being published in the USA too, so Zondervan didn&#8217;t publish it there. Instead, they made the TNIV gender-inclusive translation and published this in the UK and USA. It changed some of the controversial parts of the NIVI. That translation was also met with some very strong criticism. The TNIV is the only widely published version of the NIV that is gender-inclusive (as of today). </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">The 1996 version of the LT &#8211; the NLT &#8211; was generally well-received. The NLT was later improved and a more recent and contemporary (still gender-inclusive) version was published in 2004. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">And what about the bibles on my book-shelf? The one next to my bed is the 1984 version of the NIV (the most recent translation published before the gender-inclusive 1996 translation). I also have a 1996 version of the NLT in my bedroom, which I prefer to the 1984 NIV, but the words are small and tricky to read so I usually read my 1984 NIV bible instead. 90-95% of the other bibles in my house are gender-exclusive (we have a lot of bibles: at least 30: in our house because I live in a big family and my father used to be a Pastor and a bible college lecturer). </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">I need to get myself a TNIV bible (or similar gender-inclusive version). I am reluctant to do this though because I still think the TNIV affirms men more than women in it&#8217;s translation (&#8220;brothers&#8221; always comes before &#8220;sisters&#8221;; and the phrase &#8220;Son of Man&#8221; is used in the New Testament to refer to Jesus). The TNIV translation is still partly male-centric instead of people-centric. And I don&#8217;t want to pay for a bible like that. </span></p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="margin-left:12pt;margin-right:12pt;"><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"> </span></span></span><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">In this post first I will discuss what inerrancy means. Then I will demonstrate why I believe parts of the Bible must be sexist. Lastly, I shall discuss whether it is possible to reconcile a sexist bible with the concept of an inerrant bible. </span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:12pt;margin-right:12pt;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><strong><span style="color:#000000;">1. Is the bible &#8220;inerrant&#8221;?</span></strong></span></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:12pt;margin-right:12pt;"><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Christians believe the bible is <a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/inerrant.htm">inerrant </a>(&#8216;completely without error&#8217;) because the men who wrote it were inspired by God when they wrote it. Christians give the concept of inerrancy different meanings. </span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:12pt;margin-right:12pt;"><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Most of us believe <strong>the </strong><em><strong>principles</strong></em><strong> of the Bible are inerrant</strong> (we reject certain parts of the Bible that were culturally relevant then but are no longer relevant in our society today; culturally specific principles). </span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:12pt;margin-right:12pt;"><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Even thinking about the Bible in this way I find parts of the Bible really hard to swallow without bitterness. <strong>I have to believe that the authors of the Bible were partly<a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_bibl.htm"> sexist</a>.</strong> They were men living in an extremely sexist society. If they weren&#8217;t sexist <strong>how could they have written &#8220;the man is the image and glory of God, but the woman is the glory of man&#8230; &#8220;</strong> (Paul, from 1 Corinthians 11) ? </span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:12pt;margin-right:12pt;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><strong><span style="color:#000000;">2. Is the Bible Sexist?</span></strong></span></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:12pt;margin-right:12pt;"><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">People have tried to reconcile these seemingly sexist <a href="http://members.shaw.ca/tfrisen/Bbl/Sexism/Sexism.html">passages </a>with the inerrancy of the Bible and the concept that men and women are equal. Their efforts seem very, very strained. </span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:12pt;margin-right:12pt;"><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">I think, if the Bible&#8217;s authors were not partly sexist they would have focussed more on the female characters in the Bible (that they didn&#8217;t shows male centricity in their view of the world). </span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:12pt;margin-right:12pt;"><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">They also would have qualified their statements like <strong>&#8220;a woman must not have authority over a man&#8221;</strong> with real reasons (eg. &#8216;it is inappropriate at this time&#8217;), rather than with reasons that seem inherent (<strong>&#8216;because Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner&#8217;</strong> <strong>1 Timothy 3:11-15</strong>). Some have argued that Paul (probably the author) was simply quoting a well known concept at that time, but not endorsing it. I disagree. That viewpoint is so hard for me to believe that I find it impossible. To me, in that statement, if I was a jury in a Court I would have to find that Paul was sexist well beyond reasonable doubt (perhaps even beyond a shadow of a doubt). </span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:12pt;margin-right:12pt;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><strong><span style="color:#000000;">Paul must have endorsed the sexist reasoning he gave for his statement that women should not be in authority over men.</span></strong><span style="color:#000000;"> <strong>He would have known exactly how his statements would have been understood by Christians at the time. </strong>Therefore if he wasn&#8217;t sexist, Paul would have made it clear that his reason for why a woman shouldn&#8217;t be in authority (because &#8220;it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner&#8221;) was just a popular view and one that he did not personally support.  </span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:12pt;margin-right:12pt;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><strong><span style="color:#000000;">3. If the Bible is Sexist, is it still Inerrant (without error)? </span></strong></span></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.25in;margin-right:.25in;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="color:#000000;">Because I don&#8217;t think some Bible passages can be reconciled with the concept that the author <em>was not</em> sexist, I find those passages extremely difficult to reconcile with the idea that the Bible is inerrant. If God had <em>inspired </em>every word that those men wrote, then the Bible couldn&#8217;t have had sexism in it (in my opinion). Therefore I don&#8217;t think that God inspired every single sentence that those men wrote. People say that those &#8220;sexist&#8221; Bible verses were appropriate at the time they written. Those Bible passages were sexist <em>even in the time that they were written -</em> just because it was &#8216;normal&#8217; or a &#8216;tradition&#8217; in no way made it right or &#8216;okay&#8217;. </span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.25in;margin-right:.25in;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="color:#000000;">I still believe <strong>the principles of the Bible are inerrant</strong>. These can be hard to pin down. I feel like a bit of a hypocrite because I believe the principles of the Bible are inerrant, but I reject the principle proposed by Paul, that woman should not be in authority over man. I reject this principle applying either at the time it was written, or today, and I don&#8217;t support the reasoning Paul used to back up his proposition. So I am &#8216;picking and choosing&#8217; my principles. </span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.25in;margin-right:.25in;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="color:#000000;">The principles I agree with wholeheartedly are usually the ones that the majority of Christians today support, <em>but not always</em>. To determine which principles of the Bible I find to be &#8220;inerrant&#8221; and which are not, this is the test I use: </span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.25in;margin-right:.25in;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="color:#000000;">I ask, would the God I know (all-loving, all-powerful, merciful/forgiving; non-sexist) have made that a principle to live by?</span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.25in;margin-right:.25in;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><strong><span style="color:#000000;">Non-sexist but still non-Godly Bible Principles? (eg. Homosexual sex): </span></strong></span></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.25in;margin-right:.25in;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="color:#000000;">There are &#8220;principles&#8221; given in the Bible that are non-sexist but still seem like God couldn&#8217;t have agreed with them (eg. the <a title="homosexual sex" href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh.htm">&#8216;rule&#8217; </a>that men should not have sex with other men). I know Christians are divided on this issue. </span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.25in;margin-right:.25in;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="color:#000000;">Many of them are struggling to reconcile the concept of the bible being inerrant with the seeming unreasonableness of this &#8217;rule&#8217; in the Bible. We are not given a &#8216;reason&#8217; for why someone born with homosexual desires has to refrain from having an intimate homosexual relationship. </span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.25in;margin-right:.25in;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="color:#000000;">To many of us, the &#8221;reason why&#8221; a writer in the Bible said homosexual sex was in itself necessarily and always morally wrong is completely unclear). </span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.25in;margin-right:.25in;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="color:#000000;">To me, this issue seems to fail my test for an &#8220;inerrant principle&#8221; because I can&#8217;t see <em>why</em> every single act of homosexual sex could be wrong in the eyes of God. And until God clears with up for me I cannot accept this as an inerrant principle in and of itself. </span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.25in;margin-right:.25in;"><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">More Links:</span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.25in;margin-right:.25in;"><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">Was <a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/cfe_bibl.htm">Jesus </a>Sexist? Was he <a href="http://gbgm-umc.org/Response/articles/racism.html">racist</a>?<em> (Mark 7:24-29 discussed)</em></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.25in;margin-right:.25in;"><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">Old Testament &#8211; women are <a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/ofe_bibl.htm">inferior </a>passages</span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.25in;margin-right:.25in;"><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">Old Testament &#8211; passages where women are given special punishment; treated as <a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/ofe_bibl1.htm">equals</a>; seen as leaders</span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.25in;margin-right:.25in;"><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">Statements by <a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/lfe_bibl.htm">Christian Leaders </a>2-20 BC (Martin Luther:<em>&#8220;</em>If they [women] become tired or even die, that does not matter. Let them die in childbirth, that&#8217;s why they are there<em>.&#8221;). </em>Pope John Paul II offers a nice alternative to this view. Jerry Falwell has his pants in a knot. </span></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[In some of my posts I reverse the words &#8220;man&#8221; and &#8220;woman&#8221;. I don&#8217;t do this to be sexist to men. I don&#8217;t do this because I think the Bible is better this way. I do this to get people &#8230; <a href="http://feministbible.wordpress.com/2008/10/08/manwomanreversa/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=feministbible.wordpress.com&amp;blog=5087965&amp;post=45&amp;subd=feministbible&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In some of my posts I reverse the words &#8220;man&#8221; and &#8220;woman&#8221;. I don&#8217;t do this to be sexist to men. I don&#8217;t do this because I think the Bible is better this way. I do this to get people to think, what if this passage had been written like this? Is it relevant to us (in our society today) that it was written the other way, or <em>can </em>the genders be switched?</p>
<p>I believe that for the most part us woman have as much to learn from the male characters of the Bible as we do from the female characters (and the same is true for men). I don&#8217;t think that the &#8216;sexist&#8217; Bible passages should be read as meaning that women must have a certain role &#8211; and men a certain other role &#8211; in society. If anything, this was true in the sexist culture of the day, but it is not true now. I want to reflect this (the idea that gender doesn&#8217;t matter in our understanding of the Bible today) by reversing the gender roles sometimes.</p>
<p><strong>Is the Bible written in a sexist way? I believe so. I attempted to reconcile a sexist bible with the idea that the bible is inerrant (without error) <a href="http://feministbible.wordpress.com/2008/10/08/is-the-bible-sexist-if-so-can-a-sexist-bible-still-be-inerrant-without-error/">here</a>. </strong></p>
<p><strong>Reversing the words &#8220;male&#8221; and &#8220;female&#8221; in some of these sexist bible passages is a way for me to have a laugh at just how ridiculous and unfair the original passage in the Bible was, and is. </strong>There&#8217;s nothing much else I can do, and no way I know of to fully redeem those passages. All I can to is divorce them from their sexist meaning and make them meaningless, by reversing the sexism, by reversing the genders.</p>
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